Another thread, this one for collecting references and links around ways of notating algorithmic patterns, and the following discussions.

One to kick things off, that I’m looking forward to reading:

On Turtles and Dragons and the dangerous quest for a media art notation system

Tim Boykett, Marta Peirano, Simone Boria, Heather Kelley, Elisabeth

Schimana, Andreas Dekrout. Rachel OReilly

Newcastle notation for clog dancing

Hi all,

I just attended a conference where I heard a talk by Jean Claude Heudin presenting his works in AI / musical composition : https://www.jcheudin.fr/

He mentioned his approach to notation, cellular automata and his interest for genetics, so I thought I’d add the reference here if anyone wants to find out more. Here’s a screenshot of the notation from his ANGELIA electronic music AI.

Another screenshot illustrating one of the models:

Yet another one illustrating the use of feedback loops:

One on rhythm notation:

Liu, Yang, and Godfried T. Toussaint. ‘Mathematical Notation, Representation, and Visualization of Musical Rhythm: A Comparative Perspective’. *International Journal of Machine Learning and Computing*, 2012, 261–65. http://www.ijmlc.org/papers/127-I024.pdf

This video by WTF Grooves on Alternative (rhytmic) Notation made me think of Netsup, a smart markup language that comes with a nice web interface. They share the idea of creating tuplets from numbers.

I just wanted to share this great collection of quotes and links about “Notation and thought”:

I’m also blowing my mind reading about Laban’s effort graphs, but will likely post about that separately…

I’m focusing my doctorate research to study the relations between geometric simmetry and algorithmic pattern (as proposed in your 2020 NIME paper) and I found this and the last reference intriguing. My feel, which I think is shared around here, is that the representational, semiotic and notational aspects of both natural and programming lenguages play a fundamental aspect in creativity, particularly in music.

Of course the idea is not new, as could be found in the famous Wittgenstein quote “the limits of my lenguage are the limits of my thought”. Arguably whats new is our context and the posibility of actualizing the idea.

On the other hand is weird for me that you mention Laban. A friend used his theory of movement for his thesis on “transmedial gestures”. I recently stumbled upon the idea again, while thinking of rhythm as an interface or bond between the spacial and temporal dimension. Would keep researching and post some thoughts or a reading proposal on the matter (would love to participate in a thread to read and discuss Laban effort graphs as well). Thanks for this awesome forum and ideas.